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hello everyone welcome to my latest

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interview here on the disclosure team

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channel

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thank you to everyone that's joining us

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live here on youtube and thank you to

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anyone that's listening to this further

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down the line on apple podcasts or

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spotify thank you so much i appreciate

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it so guys without further ado

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i'd like to

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introduce

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mr ralph blumenthal

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ralph how you doing great how are you

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i'm very good thank you so much yes um

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sorry i'm just getting a message saying

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i've got a bad error connection

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bear with me sorry

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why have i got a bad error just bear

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with me one second guys i'm really sorry

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i've just got to change the wire no

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technology

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the gremlins always interfere on this

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subject i'm telling you dude don't they

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it's very bizarre can you see me okay

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ralph yeah i can

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okay we're just gonna have to roll with

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it so yes thank you so much for joining

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me ralph i really appreciate it and i

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can appreciate that you must be very

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busy at the moment with uh with

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everything no i'm very very pleased to

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be here with you

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so if it's okay we just start out

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talking about your latest article on

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experiences that came out in the debrief

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and can you just tell us about the

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process behind it and what made you want

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to put it out at this time

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well um it's a it's an

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article that really starts with the

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release of the uap report of the task

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force on june 25th

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and the report while disappointing to

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some

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people in the field because it was

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rather short and restricted in scope and

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on the other hand it made some very

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important points and disclosures

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particularly

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that uap or the which is the new word

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for ufos uh exists physically it was a

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confirmation by the pentagon the

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director of national intelligence um

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that these things whatever they are

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wherever they come from whoever is

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behind the wheel

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why they're here whatever reason um

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they exist physically and that is a big

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leap forward for the government because

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for many years as you know they were

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denying uh you know the reality of these

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and putting them off to hallucinations

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or fly specs on the windscreen or

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you know the planet venus

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as if as if you know

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people out they don't know what the

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planet venus looks like um anyway

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so they said that these things are real

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and that they represent a threat to

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aviation

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uh a potential threat so those are two

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very important things so i start off the

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article by

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talking about the report and then saying

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what the report doesn't say of course

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which is um you know what these things

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are who's behind them or what and and

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then i eventually talk about the

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experiences who have stories of

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encountering alien beings

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um this is all anecdotal it's not

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confirmed like you know the ufo

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sightings but it's an important part of

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did you have any hesitation when you're

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actually talking about experiences

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because you know a lot of people in the

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community they like their evidence and

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their data and all that kind of thing

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whereas it's just more like somebody's

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when it comes to the experience of

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things did that worry you at all how it

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would be perceived to worry me because

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i'm very familiar with the phenomenon i

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mean my book on john mack the believer

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is all about you know a prominent

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psychiatrist who

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uh was captivated not not captured but

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captivated by the stories of ordinary

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people who had these uh inexplicable

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encounters with us with beings

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so something i'm very familiar with i'm

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also familiar with the lack of you know

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of evidence backing it up except you

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know fragmentary bits of evidence we can

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talk about that convinced john mack that

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there was something to this um so i

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really had no compunctions about talking

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about i know there's a ridicule factor

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as i said the government has established

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their reality

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um but certainly we're not there yet

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with experiencers and there's a lot of

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room for uh for doubt and

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skepticism that's all good but we have

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to take these people

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for what they are which is well-meaning

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um ordinary people with uh

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experiences that cannot be explained

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yeah and i think experiences voices have

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been pushed to the wayside for uh for

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too long now you know i think it's time

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that they

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they are really thrust into the the

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forefront of this story so yeah um you

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mentioned john mack in the book you

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wrote uh the believer um

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can you just talk a little bit about

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john mack for those that might not be

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fully aware of actually who he was and

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the work he did sure sir john mack was a

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harvard psychiatrist very distinguished

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in his profession

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who had written a pulitzer prize-winning

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book on uh lawrence of arabia t.e

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lawrence

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spent a lot of time in the uk and the

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middle east you know researching that

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story he'd gone to the movies with his

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wife to see the film like everybody else

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of you know that generation and

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everybody else walked out of the movie

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saying boy it was a long movie or what a

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great movie but he said i got to find

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out about this guy uh lawrence and he

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really jumped into it and he did a

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psychobiography of lawrence a very

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interesting uh portrait of lawrence he

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talked to lawrence's family brothers

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ex-girlfriend etc

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he was very distinguished as a as a

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psychiatrist he had

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missions growing out of the book he had

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protested nuclear weapons because he was

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a social activist

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um and he had written a book on

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childhood nightmares and he had written

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a book on childhood development so um he

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was really well versed in the field and

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then through a series of steps i outline

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in my book the believer um he becomes

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ordinary people uh have had these

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encounters which could not be explained

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and he because he's a courageous guy and

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he's not worried about his career which

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he probably should have been

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he jumped into it and collected a circle

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of these experiences or abductees

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experiencer is a little better word

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because it's non-judgmental

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and he he started really researching

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because again he was a psychiatrist who

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had great standing in his field he

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looked at the issue from the standpoint

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of somebody who knows mental health

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and he quickly realized that these

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people were not mentally ill they

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weren't crazy they weren't making it up

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you know publicity on the country they

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were running away from their experiences

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so for all these things he put together

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he realized something was going on

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uh that we can't explain and to this day

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uh we can't explain it vinnie so

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so that was it and he wrote two books

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about it and then he was to finish the

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story he was run over by a drunk driver

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uh because he looked the wrong way which

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and it was very sad he was almost 75

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in some way he was ready for the next

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step he was very interested in life

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after death and the survival of

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consciousness so

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that became part of his story his final

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you know crusade which he

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may or may not have participated in from

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beyond the grave there's some stories i

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include in the book but anyway that's

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the story of john mack

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i mean i think a lot of people have seen

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him pop up because of the aerial school

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case in rural zimbabwe absolutely

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you know he was a big part of that is

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that a case that you followed

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at all yes uh i devote a good part of

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the book to that case because it really

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is one of the best documented cases of

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um encounter alien you know encounters

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different backgrounds well-educated

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well-brought up children uh 60 of them

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at recess saw this craft land

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and two beings come out and they had

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telepathic communications with the

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beings and they later drew pictures of

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the beings described them on camera

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so it's a very well

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documented episode very mysterious

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they've not been for the books they had

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read or the movies they'd seen they were

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innocent kids who were just reporting

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what they saw

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and uh because of that it becomes

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particularly compelling

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one of the standout cases just because

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it has everything you know so many

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witnesses the children specifically so

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apart from that case are there any other

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cases of encounters or even abductions

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that really stand out for you that you

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really you know it's up there for you

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well i i spent some time in the book

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talking about you know the first major

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case the betty and bonnie hill

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it happened in 1961 in the white

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mountains of new hampshire but it didn't

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come out really until 1965

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because the couple

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kept it secret again they were ashamed

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these people are not eager for these

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stories to come out but anyway it was a

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couple

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who were happen to be an interracial

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couple he was he was black and she was

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white and they were very

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devoted to each other and um

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they were doing civil rights work which

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is another reason they they didn't want

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their work to

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to suffer by this uh strange story but

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anyway what happened is

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um they were coming back from a belated

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honeymoon and as they passed through the

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white mountains they they saw a craft

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this is what they described later

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it seemed to be following them they had

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moments of kind of uh

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blackout where they didn't remember what

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happened but they were both taken aboard

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the craft by beings the subject of

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various

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pseudo-medical experiments betty's dress

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was ripped later his shoes were scuffed

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because he was

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said he was dragged along the the ground

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and um afterwards they were released

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unharmed except for her terrible trauma

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as they remembered the episode and

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um

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they eventually saw a very well-regarded

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psychiatrist not john mack but a man

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named benjamin simon who had done

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wonderful work with

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post-traumatic veterans of world war ii

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he was also an authority in his field of

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trauma

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and he studied them through hypnotic

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regression and

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long interviews and um

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and could not understand how two people

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could have had you know these

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experiences one person you could say

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well a person is deluded or it's a it's

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a nightmare as many you know skeptics

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so-called skeptics say

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it doesn't always happen at night but

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never mind

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they dismiss it as some kind of a

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aberration but when two people have the

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same story basically it becomes a little

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more difficult to dismiss so that was

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the first big case

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um and um that's that's one case that

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really stands out along with the aerial

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school case

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and um there was one other case i'll

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mention quickly that

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john mack found very compelling

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um

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there were two teenage girls had a

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sleepover

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um and during the night the mother one

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of the girls went down to check on them

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and they were missing

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she called the police she was obviously

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terribly alarmed police searched

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everywhere i couldn't find the girls and

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a few hours later they turned up back in

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their beds

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and later they remembered or said they

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remembered seeing a ufo

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outside the window and having some

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recollections of an abduction experience

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so what made that case so compelling to

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to john mack was that he was a mother uh

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witnessing the absence of her daughter

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and her friend during the night while

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they independently remembered some kind

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of an abduction experience so this was a

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a fairly rare case of corroboration

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uh third party so that that that case

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jumped out at me and what what year in

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location was that one if you um i'm

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trying to remember i mean john mack did

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his uh interviews in the uh earl in the

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early 90s

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uh and this must have gone back a few

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years so it probably happened in the in

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the 70s or 80s right that's definitely

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one i'm going to look into because that

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sounds fantastic

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um so moving on um i think most people

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in the ufo community

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obviously know about the article that

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you co-wrote in december 2017 which

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broke the story about atip

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but i'd like to discuss the article you

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wrote two days later on the trail of a

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secret pentagon ufo program which

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explains how the original story came

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about so could you just give us a

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background about how the story came to

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you and leslie kane

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sure um well i've been working on the

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john mack book since 2004. so i was sort

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of in in the field

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and in the course of this i

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got friendly with leslie kane who's

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probably the foremost authority in ufos

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uh in the country of the world because

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she'd written a book

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um

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in i believe it came out in 2011 on or

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2010 i'm not sure on uh generals and

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pilots going on the record

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uh about ufos not only in this country

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in the u.s but uh in other countries

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where they're often more forthcoming

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anyway she's a recognized authority

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investigative reporter and

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we've been exchanging information and

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one day she came to me in 20 in

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october 2017 and said she had attended

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just attended a meeting in washington dc

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where

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lou elisando the head of this pentagon

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program that until then was unknown

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the advanced aerospace threat

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identification program atip

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which had been monitoring ufo activity

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for the pentagon

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um

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he was resigning because he wasn't

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getting enough support from the the

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defense department

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so um

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number one here was an agency that we

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didn't even know existed we thought that

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the government said it was out of the

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ufo business with project blue book

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at the end of 1969 we never believed

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that but lo and behold

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here they were

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you know tracking ufos um with the 22

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million dollar appropriation arranged by

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then senate majority leader harry reid

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hidden in the pentagon budget um

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but here was this pentagon office you

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know doing this investigation we didn't

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know anything about the guy was quitting

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and there were you know different

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important people at that meeting it was

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a secret meeting in washington but they

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let leslie sit in on it and they showed

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her these videos

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which we later got for the new york

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times two and then three

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um showing some of these encounters

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which were very persuasive because they

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gave you know scientific um

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backup credibility to what were mostly

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until then anecdotal accounts

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so um leslie came to me with that story

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i still had my contacts at the new york

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times but i had left the times in 2009 i

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retired after 45 years but i still

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freelanced for them

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and um i sent an email to the top editor

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and i said we had this really

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sensational story all on the record by

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the way no

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uh anonymous sources you know

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we had the um

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uh documentation we had lou elisondo's

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uh

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letter of resignation so we had it

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nailed down and to the credit of the new

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york times it didn't take much

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convincing they said wow this is a good

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story they put it on the front page on a

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sunday you know shortly before christmas

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uh with the videos on online

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and uh it did cause a sensation

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yeah absolutely um and then i mean you

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wrote quite a few articles in the

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following

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um but in one specific article you wrote

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in july 2020 there was a part where you

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mentioned dr eric davis and how he gave

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classified briefings to the defense

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department

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senate armed services committee the

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senate intelligence committee

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and it was about off-world vehicles not

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made on this earth do you believe we

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have these craft in our possession or

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the government well you know what i'll

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say vinnie is that it doesn't matter

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what i believe here was a guy

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eric davis who had

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you know great security clearances who

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was briefing

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um

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staff of

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top

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senate and house committees

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um

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about uh incidents uh where uh pieces

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apparently of off-world vehicles were

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recovered now i'm not saying this eric

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davis said this in a series of slides

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staff of the committee

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so

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that was really

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one of the most sensational stories you

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could imagine

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and

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you know afterwards uh

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some people online or you know on the

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web complained that the times didn't you

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know say more about it we said what we

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what we knew what we could say that yeah

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that this was these were briefings

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of members of congress or congressional

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committees a lot of this information is

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still classified so we don't have access

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to it you know

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do i know for a fact that you know

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craft off planet craft have crashed and

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been retrieved no i don't know that

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myself for a fact but i know that eric

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davis

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um briefed

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these congressional committees we saw

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the slides that we used to brief them so

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we were comfortable saying that

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congress had been briefed on these

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uh incident on some of these

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reported incidents so uh i thought that

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was um powerful enough the times agreed

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uh ran the story and again

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um it got tremendous readership

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yeah absolutely i mean i think the crash

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retrieval conversation is is one that is

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constantly flowing and there's plenty of

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back and forth and arguments about it um

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even with things like the wilson memos

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or the um

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eric davis again being involved what are

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your thoughts on on those memos if any

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at all well we haven't reported on it

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because um

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it's just hasn't gotten to the point

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where it's confirmed enough to report on

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uh right uh you know admiral wilson

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denied the

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reported meeting and uh eric davis has

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not discussed it so um you know there's

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a lot of information on the web

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um

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that doesn't necessarily hew to the same

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standards

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that we do at the new york times so you

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know i'm just going to stick with what

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we can say in the new york times

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and that i'm comfortable you know

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reporting you know we hear a lot of

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stories and people say a lot of things

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but unless you have it on the record uh

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from people who are credible

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um you know we

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that's what we're reporting we're not

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reporting speculation or we're not

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reporting anonymous stuff that's very

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hard to confirm

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uh and that it doesn't carry the same

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weight so we uh and i think we've done

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it the right way because our stories

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have stood up

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yeah absolutely yeah um you mentioned

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earlier about the uap task force and the

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preliminary assessment and now we've

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seen that there may be a replacement

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with a permanent office if the bills get

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passed and signed into law

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do you think we'll we're likely to see

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that happen or do you think there may be

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sort of push back at the the fight i

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think that that's well established now

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that it is interesting that uh another

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agency is going to be created that will

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perhaps have more standing uh than the

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uap task force it shows again the

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government's commitment after many years

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of denial and misinformation and

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disinformation uh that there's some good

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will here

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to get at the bottom of this this is

565
00:21:35,270 --> 00:21:32,480
obviously a controversy that

566
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has is of long-standing it's

567
00:21:38,950 --> 00:21:37,520
a matter of great interest to the public

568
00:21:39,909 --> 00:21:38,960
i think the public has been ahead of the

569
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government

570
00:21:44,310 --> 00:21:41,600
uh for a long time because the

571
00:21:47,190 --> 00:21:44,320
government was afraid you know we can't

572
00:21:48,870 --> 00:21:47,200
we we the people can't handle the truth

573
00:21:49,909 --> 00:21:48,880
but the people know what's going on

574
00:21:51,510 --> 00:21:49,919
because they're the ones who are

575
00:21:52,950 --> 00:21:51,520
reporting these things and the

576
00:21:56,070 --> 00:21:52,960
government was the one who was saying

577
00:21:57,590 --> 00:21:56,080
yeah it's marsh gas or you know my specs

578
00:21:58,549 --> 00:21:57,600
on the windscreen

579
00:22:05,510 --> 00:21:58,559
um

580
00:22:07,029 --> 00:22:05,520
i think it's a good sign that uh

581
00:22:09,110 --> 00:22:07,039
you know things things are moving in the

582
00:22:11,990 --> 00:22:09,120
right direction yeah absolutely i

583
00:22:14,070 --> 00:22:12,000
completely agree um

584
00:22:15,669 --> 00:22:14,080
moving on um i'd like to talk to you

585
00:22:17,430 --> 00:22:15,679
about the galileo project and the work

586
00:22:20,070 --> 00:22:17,440
of um avi loeb is that something that

587
00:22:22,549 --> 00:22:20,080
you you um have high high hopes for or

588
00:22:24,390 --> 00:22:22,559
expectations yeah i was on a show with

589
00:22:26,470 --> 00:22:24,400
avi loeb i have

590
00:22:30,549 --> 00:22:26,480
read his book i think it's very

591
00:22:33,669 --> 00:22:30,559
compelling um it is interesting that he

592
00:22:36,870 --> 00:22:33,679
um i mean he's at harvard uh john mack

593
00:22:39,750 --> 00:22:36,880
was at harvard um but they come they

594
00:22:41,190 --> 00:22:39,760
have rather different perspectives or

595
00:22:43,590 --> 00:22:41,200
javi loeb has a very different

596
00:22:46,310 --> 00:22:43,600
perspective from john mack he doesn't

597
00:22:48,630 --> 00:22:46,320
trust human instruments like john mack

598
00:22:50,950 --> 00:22:48,640
did as a psychiatrist john mack dealt

599
00:22:53,110 --> 00:22:50,960
with human beings abby loeb likes to

600
00:22:55,430 --> 00:22:53,120
deal with instruments uh i understand

601
00:22:58,310 --> 00:22:55,440
that he's an astronomer he doesn't trust

602
00:23:03,190 --> 00:22:58,320
the anecdotal accounts um

603
00:23:06,390 --> 00:23:03,200
and um but he he and john mack agree

604
00:23:07,590 --> 00:23:06,400
uh that the scientific establishment has

605
00:23:11,110 --> 00:23:07,600
been too

606
00:23:13,350 --> 00:23:11,120
narrowly focused too blinkered in uh

607
00:23:16,230 --> 00:23:13,360
being afraid to you know question some

608
00:23:17,830 --> 00:23:16,240
of its initial assumptions uh to venture

609
00:23:18,950 --> 00:23:17,840
into new areas

610
00:23:21,270 --> 00:23:18,960
um

611
00:23:24,950 --> 00:23:21,280
boldly uh which in certainly in john

612
00:23:27,270 --> 00:23:24,960
mack's case to to to question uh

613
00:23:29,350 --> 00:23:27,280
um these extraordinary accounts of

614
00:23:33,510 --> 00:23:29,360
experiences in abby loeb's case you know

615
00:23:35,350 --> 00:23:33,520
he found this object uh uh omur that

616
00:23:37,669 --> 00:23:35,360
came through this through our solar

617
00:23:38,789 --> 00:23:37,679
system in 2017 it was gone before

618
00:23:40,149 --> 00:23:38,799
anybody

619
00:23:44,549 --> 00:23:40,159
noticed it

620
00:23:46,390 --> 00:23:44,559
but he says it it had earmarks of a um

621
00:23:48,630 --> 00:23:46,400
an intelligently controlled or at least

622
00:23:50,549 --> 00:23:48,640
intelligently built object

623
00:23:53,750 --> 00:23:50,559
the first one from outside the solar

624
00:23:55,510 --> 00:23:53,760
system it was just it it deviated from

625
00:23:57,669 --> 00:23:55,520
its natural path

626
00:24:00,870 --> 00:23:57,679
uh seemingly because it was powered by

627
00:24:05,110 --> 00:24:00,880
um some kind of a solar sail or or some

628
00:24:07,350 --> 00:24:05,120
technology that that powered it so um

629
00:24:09,430 --> 00:24:07,360
um i you know i admire i told narvey

630
00:24:10,549 --> 00:24:09,440
love himself i admire what you're doing

631
00:24:13,029 --> 00:24:10,559
i think it

632
00:24:15,909 --> 00:24:13,039
it's also very bold uh

633
00:24:17,029 --> 00:24:15,919
he and john mack disagreed on the human

634
00:24:19,190 --> 00:24:17,039
factor

635
00:24:20,870 --> 00:24:19,200
um and davie love doesn't talk about

636
00:24:22,230 --> 00:24:20,880
aliens at all

637
00:24:24,230 --> 00:24:22,240
but um

638
00:24:26,630 --> 00:24:24,240
as i said he thinks the scientific

639
00:24:28,870 --> 00:24:26,640
establishment has to uh open up a little

640
00:24:30,149 --> 00:24:28,880
more and be more forthcoming

641
00:24:32,549 --> 00:24:30,159
yeah i think that

642
00:24:33,990 --> 00:24:32,559
that's definitely the case so do you

643
00:24:35,909 --> 00:24:34,000
think that we're more likely to get

644
00:24:37,110 --> 00:24:35,919
answers in the future coming from the

645
00:24:38,950 --> 00:24:37,120
scientific

646
00:24:41,269 --> 00:24:38,960
community rather than anything from the

647
00:24:42,789 --> 00:24:41,279
government or the military

648
00:24:44,630 --> 00:24:42,799
well um

649
00:24:47,110 --> 00:24:44,640
i think that it'll come from various

650
00:24:48,149 --> 00:24:47,120
places i mean the scientific community

651
00:24:49,510 --> 00:24:48,159
um

652
00:24:51,190 --> 00:24:49,520
is uh

653
00:24:53,350 --> 00:24:51,200
certain certainly you know seti the

654
00:24:55,510 --> 00:24:53,360
search for extraterrestrial life is

655
00:24:58,149 --> 00:24:55,520
sending out radio signals which john

656
00:25:00,789 --> 00:24:58,159
mack found kind of antidated by the way

657
00:25:01,830 --> 00:25:00,799
and very anthropomorphic i mean radio

658
00:25:04,549 --> 00:25:01,840
signals

659
00:25:06,070 --> 00:25:04,559
to advanced civilizations he said that's

660
00:25:09,110 --> 00:25:06,080
like looking for a good italian

661
00:25:12,789 --> 00:25:09,120
restaurant in the cosmos

662
00:25:14,390 --> 00:25:12,799
but um look i think all the efforts to

663
00:25:16,149 --> 00:25:14,400
find uh

664
00:25:19,190 --> 00:25:16,159
life even

665
00:25:22,549 --> 00:25:19,200
single cell life from off the planet

666
00:25:25,350 --> 00:25:22,559
would be revolutionary um because if if

667
00:25:28,310 --> 00:25:25,360
life developed even in very simple forms

668
00:25:31,510 --> 00:25:28,320
elsewhere it holds open the possibility

669
00:25:35,029 --> 00:25:31,520
obviously that it developed um uh

670
00:25:36,149 --> 00:25:35,039
forward uh way up past our stage of

671
00:25:37,990 --> 00:25:36,159
development

672
00:25:41,110 --> 00:25:38,000
so it would be revolutionary so i

673
00:25:44,710 --> 00:25:41,120
applaud all the uh efforts to

674
00:25:47,269 --> 00:25:44,720
find you know signs of life in rocks and

675
00:25:50,400 --> 00:25:47,279
um you know in the atmosphere and in the

676
00:25:52,390 --> 00:25:50,410
gases and the cosmos etc so um

677
00:25:54,070 --> 00:25:52,400
[Music]

678
00:25:55,110 --> 00:25:54,080
you know i think the gut the government

679
00:25:56,950 --> 00:25:55,120
is

680
00:25:58,789 --> 00:25:56,960
may not be the first one to come forward

681
00:25:59,669 --> 00:25:58,799
with this information because it's

682
00:26:01,190 --> 00:25:59,679
always

683
00:26:03,750 --> 00:26:01,200
um

684
00:26:05,430 --> 00:26:03,760
been wary of sharing information and

685
00:26:06,630 --> 00:26:05,440
there's obviously a national security

686
00:26:08,390 --> 00:26:06,640
component too

687
00:26:10,950 --> 00:26:08,400
they don't want to alert adversaries to

688
00:26:12,950 --> 00:26:10,960
how much we know about this

689
00:26:13,909 --> 00:26:12,960
revolutionary technology

690
00:26:14,710 --> 00:26:13,919
um

691
00:26:19,110 --> 00:26:14,720
so

692
00:26:21,430 --> 00:26:19,120
academic community the scientific

693
00:26:22,870 --> 00:26:21,440
community may find something out first

694
00:26:25,190 --> 00:26:22,880
before the government

695
00:26:26,950 --> 00:26:25,200
yeah absolutely and well listen ralph

696
00:26:28,310 --> 00:26:26,960
before we finish off i just wondered if

697
00:26:30,230 --> 00:26:28,320
you were able to tell us about anything

698
00:26:31,830 --> 00:26:30,240
that you're working on currently or any

699
00:26:32,789 --> 00:26:31,840
plans you have for the foreseeable

700
00:26:36,390 --> 00:26:32,799
future

701
00:26:39,350 --> 00:26:36,400
well i'm still uh you know working on on

702
00:26:41,909 --> 00:26:39,360
the whole issue of the experiencers uh

703
00:26:43,029 --> 00:26:41,919
this article in the debrief a couple

704
00:26:45,190 --> 00:26:43,039
weeks ago

705
00:26:47,029 --> 00:26:45,200
was an effort to bring their stories to

706
00:26:48,230 --> 00:26:47,039
to the fore i think they've they've

707
00:26:49,350 --> 00:26:48,240
really gotten

708
00:26:52,789 --> 00:26:49,360
um

709
00:26:55,510 --> 00:26:52,799
a bad deal so far because they're they

710
00:26:58,070 --> 00:26:55,520
suffer from the ridicule factor they are

711
00:27:01,190 --> 00:26:58,080
meeting in support groups

712
00:27:03,190 --> 00:27:01,200
um to exchange stories to try to

713
00:27:05,029 --> 00:27:03,200
understand you know they have no

714
00:27:08,630 --> 00:27:05,039
understanding of

715
00:27:10,390 --> 00:27:08,640
why whatever happened happened to them

716
00:27:13,510 --> 00:27:10,400
right um

717
00:27:15,110 --> 00:27:13,520
what these beings represent why they why

718
00:27:17,110 --> 00:27:15,120
these people were picked out they don't

719
00:27:18,549 --> 00:27:17,120
understand any of it uh they don't

720
00:27:21,430 --> 00:27:18,559
pretend to know

721
00:27:23,190 --> 00:27:21,440
um they um

722
00:27:24,430 --> 00:27:23,200
they would like answers too

723
00:27:25,909 --> 00:27:24,440
and i think um

724
00:27:28,389 --> 00:27:25,919
[Music]

725
00:27:29,750 --> 00:27:28,399
and with all the and this is in my book

726
00:27:31,590 --> 00:27:29,760
i mean all the funding that the

727
00:27:34,070 --> 00:27:31,600
government has put into

728
00:27:37,190 --> 00:27:34,080
uh taking getting images of black holes

729
00:27:39,669 --> 00:27:37,200
55 million light years away and finding

730
00:27:41,669 --> 00:27:39,679
uh the elusive missing particles of the

731
00:27:44,149 --> 00:27:41,679
universe because 95 percent of the

732
00:27:48,070 --> 00:27:44,159
universe is unknown dark energy and dark

733
00:27:50,070 --> 00:27:48,080
matter we have no idea what what that

734
00:27:51,830 --> 00:27:50,080
what that means what what composes the

735
00:27:53,190 --> 00:27:51,840
cosmos so

736
00:27:55,110 --> 00:27:53,200
the government has spent billions of

737
00:27:57,430 --> 00:27:55,120
dollars to answer these questions but it

738
00:27:58,789 --> 00:27:57,440
hasn't spent very much on

739
00:28:00,549 --> 00:27:58,799
looking at these people who've

740
00:28:02,389 --> 00:28:00,559
experienced these

741
00:28:04,950 --> 00:28:02,399
who've had these encounters whatever

742
00:28:06,230 --> 00:28:04,960
they are and trying to figure out why

743
00:28:08,789 --> 00:28:06,240
whether they've been any changes to

744
00:28:10,710 --> 00:28:08,799
their bodies why these people were

745
00:28:12,470 --> 00:28:10,720
picked out and not other people i've

746
00:28:13,669 --> 00:28:12,480
never had an experience

747
00:28:16,230 --> 00:28:13,679
um

748
00:28:19,590 --> 00:28:16,240
you know with extraterrestrial contact

749
00:28:21,190 --> 00:28:19,600
i've never seen a ufo why haven't i

750
00:28:22,710 --> 00:28:21,200
uh these are questions you know what

751
00:28:23,590 --> 00:28:22,720
makes me different what makes them

752
00:28:25,430 --> 00:28:23,600
different

753
00:28:27,269 --> 00:28:25,440
these are you know interesting questions

754
00:28:29,110 --> 00:28:27,279
that would seem to lend themselves to

755
00:28:31,590 --> 00:28:29,120
scientific study

756
00:28:34,310 --> 00:28:31,600
um but there's still this you know

757
00:28:38,070 --> 00:28:34,320
uncomfortable uncomfortableness with the

758
00:28:39,669 --> 00:28:38,080
subject and uh i think it's held us back

759
00:28:41,669 --> 00:28:39,679
yeah so are you looking to write more

760
00:28:43,590 --> 00:28:41,679
articles primarily focusing on

761
00:28:45,590 --> 00:28:43,600
experience yes i'm looking to write more

762
00:28:48,070 --> 00:28:45,600
articles that leslie and i are

763
00:28:48,950 --> 00:28:48,080
continuing to monitor the field leslie

764
00:28:51,029 --> 00:28:48,960
kane

765
00:28:53,909 --> 00:28:51,039
and we're hoping to write more articles

766
00:28:55,909 --> 00:28:53,919
um there's a lot more to be done but we

767
00:28:58,710 --> 00:28:55,919
want to pick our subjects and our

768
00:29:00,710 --> 00:28:58,720
targets and uh you know we we're hoping

769
00:29:02,549 --> 00:29:00,720
to break more stories but it has to be

770
00:29:04,310 --> 00:29:02,559
done the right way with the right

771
00:29:05,830 --> 00:29:04,320
background on the record you know with

772
00:29:07,990 --> 00:29:05,840
documentation

773
00:29:09,029 --> 00:29:08,000
so um we're definitely staying with the

774
00:29:11,029 --> 00:29:09,039
subject

775
00:29:12,070 --> 00:29:11,039
excellent well i really look forward to

776
00:29:14,149 --> 00:29:12,080
anything that you're going to bring out

777
00:29:16,230 --> 00:29:14,159
in the future and hopefully join me

778
00:29:18,470 --> 00:29:16,240
again in the future to discuss that work

779
00:29:20,549 --> 00:29:18,480
when it appears i would be delighted i

780
00:29:22,549 --> 00:29:20,559
would be delighted thank you so much

781
00:29:24,070 --> 00:29:22,559
ralph um and just to let you know i will

782
00:29:25,830 --> 00:29:24,080
be putting all of your links in the

783
00:29:28,470 --> 00:29:25,840
description of this video below so your

784
00:29:29,990 --> 00:29:28,480
book your website your articles your old

785
00:29:32,149 --> 00:29:30,000
articles and your latest stuff with the

786
00:29:33,430 --> 00:29:32,159
debrief so everyone can go and go and

787
00:29:36,310 --> 00:29:33,440
find it and look look at it all for

788
00:29:39,110 --> 00:29:36,320
themselves but finally ralph no sorry go

789
00:29:40,710 --> 00:29:39,120
on no i just really appreciate it and

790
00:29:42,630 --> 00:29:40,720
it's my pleasure and but i really

791
00:29:44,870 --> 00:29:42,640
appreciate you joining me today thank

792
00:29:46,789 --> 00:29:44,880
you so much it's been been a pleasure my

793
00:29:49,909 --> 00:29:46,799
pleasure all right take care thank you

794
00:29:53,990 --> 00:29:51,990
guys thank you so much for watching i

795
00:29:56,230 --> 00:29:54,000
really appreciate it i hope you enjoyed